Select committee inquiry

Public sector pensions

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Public Accounts Committee · Opened 8 February 2021 · Closed 5 August 2021

10 recommendations · 15 conclusions
Inquiry on parliament.uk ↗

What the inquiry looked at

“As at 31 March 2020 the UK’s major public service pension schemes had over 8 million members, including active and deferred members and current pensioners – a significant part of the national pensions “landscape”. Most of the main public service pension schemes are unfunded, with pension payments paid for out of the current workforce’s contributions. Reforms in the last decade have sought to put these schemes on a more sustainable financial footing and to strike a fairer balance between the interests of pension scheme members and taxpayers, and between current and future generations. The Committee will question senior officials at HMT and the Government Actuary Department on how the public service pensions landscape has changed since 2010 and what challenges remain . If you have evidence on these questions, please submit it here by 6:00 pm on Monday 12 April 2021.”

The committee's words, from the inquiry page on parliament.uk ↗.

What it found

In the committee's words, from the summary of Sixth Report - Public Sector Pensions ↗

HM Treasury focuses on the affordability of public service pensions to the taxpayer.

The government’s reforms have helped contain the potential increase in future public service pension costs by changing the way benefits are calculated, and by increasing the contributions that employees and employers make towards pensions. While affordability is important, HM Treasury has shown a lack of curiosity about other important issues, such as: the effectiveness of pensions as a means of recruiting and retaining staff; the impact on employers of increasing pension costs; the effect on people working in the public sector; and the potential knock-on impacts on other areas of public expenditure, for example on means-tested benefits. We have seen evidence of public service pensions issues affecting delivery of frontline services, and independent schools opting out of pension schemes because of increasing costs. This lack of curiosity means that HM Treasury doesn’t have the data it needs to understand the impact of its reforms, or whether it is achieving its objectives.

The Treasury seems to be unconcerned about the drop in enrolment by some workers.

There is a danger of a perfect storm where some young people believe they cannot afford pension contributions because of high costs of living and retire with no equity and a reduced public sector pension as a result. The cost of supporting this generation will fall on future taxpayers. The Treasury needs to take a long-term view and consider what the interface is between generation rent, interest only mortgages, household changes and lower pension take up and consider what impact this could have on the need to provide state support in the future.

We are disappointed that HM Treasury did not act on all the Committee’s 2011 recommendations, particularly on providing clear and relevant information to employees. The government has made other mistakes in its reforms. HM Treasury wants members to meet the estimated £17 billion cost of putting right the age discrimination that led to the McCloud judgment, despite it being HM Treasury’s mistake. A mistake which could have been avoided by listening to advice and which will take many decades to resolve. HM Treasury has not yet performed an evaluation of its reforms and we are not convinced it is on track to meet its objectives for public service pensions. We have also identified other important issues which HM Treasury needs to address, including how pensions can be made more attractive to support, recruit and retain the staff needed to deliver public services, and the stark differences in the pensions received between different groups of members.

What the government said

The government responded on 2 September 2021. The deadline was 11 August 2021.

Summary written by Accountability Index from the government's response.

The government agrees with five of the Committee's six recommendations on public sector pensions and disagrees with the recommendation on pension gaps between groups.

  • On the McCloud judgment, the government agrees, notes the Public Service Pensions and Judicial Offices Bill was introduced in the House of Lords on 19 July 2021, and "will write to the Committee with an update on both areas of work in six months".
  • On the SCAPE discount rate, the government agrees and is consulting on the methodology, with a new rate to "impact new employer contribution rates implemented in April 2024".
  • On differences in pensions between groups, the government disagrees, stating that differences "are a function of past differences in earnings over members' careers rather than differences in pension provision itself".
  • On evaluating the 2011-2015 reforms, the government agrees (target date end 2021) and will write with an assessment, but says any assessment now "will necessarily be limited" until the reforms are fully implemented.

How the inquiry ran

Each dot is a dated item listed on this page, from the inquiry's opening on 8 February 2021 to 2 September 2021. The dashed mark is the deadline Parliament records for the government's response.

  1. Oral evidence 22 Apr 2021
  2. Report 11 Jun 2021
  3. Government response 2 Sep 2021
  4. Correspondence 19 May 2021

What it recommended 10 recommendations · 15 conclusions

2It is becoming clear that public service pension policy is affecting the delivery of frontline...
Recommended (the committee's words)
It is becoming clear that public service pension policy is affecting the delivery of frontline services in some areas, such as education and health. In 2019–20, a substantial increase in employers’ pension contributions—which was not fully funded by HM Treasury—has directly impacted on employer budgets. As a result of concerns about these increasing contributions, around 200 independent schools are set to withdraw from the Teachers’ Pension Scheme, and we are concerned more may follow. This may put further pressure on the remaining schools, who may not be able to withdraw from the scheme despite others in the sector viewing it as increasingly unaffordable. At least one higher education institution has had to make redundancies in response to the 2019–20 increase in costs. The employer contribution rate is due to be implemented in 2024, where it may change again. Both the SCAPE rate—which is used to help set the employer contribution rate and drove the 2019–20 increase in employer contributions—and its methodology will be reviewed prior to 2024. There is also evidence that pensions can affect staff choices about their work, which impacts frontline services. For example, the interaction between the NHS Pension Scheme rules and the tax system means a large number of doctors have reduced their working hours, opted out of the scheme, or retired early. Recommendation: HM Treasury should regularly set out the likely impact on employers’ budgets of employer contribution rate changes in advance of their implementation. By giving employers plenty of notice and offering wider support, it can help minimising the impact on frontline services. HM Treasury should also consult widely on the SCAPE discount rate and its methodology, well in advance of any changes.

Addressed to HM Treasury

3HM Treasury has not done enough to ensure people understand the value of their pensions.
Recommended (the committee's words)
HM Treasury has not done enough to ensure people understand the value of their pensions. This Committee previously recommended, in 2011, that HM Treasury should work with employers and pension schemes to ensure that clear and relevant information is provided to employees on the value of their pensions. But limited progress has been made and more needs to be done to improve employees’ 6 Public Sector Pensions understanding. The problem has been exacerbated with further complexities being introduced as a result of government’s response to the McCloud judgment. HM Treasury provided us with data that implies that over 238,000 employees have opted out of their pensions, but it does not have a clear understanding of why they do so and whether some groups are more likely to opt out – it is particularly concerning if younger and lower paid employees are more likely to opt out. There are understandable reasons why people may choose to opt out of pension schemes for example, owing to short-term spending priorities, but inadequate pensions are likely to cause issues in the future and push costs into other policy areas, such as if people are more likely to be reliant on the benefits system. Recommendation: HM Treasury should lead from the centre, and seek to understand members’ views regarding their pensions, including the reasons why people may opt out of a scheme and whether this has a long-term impact on other parts of public services and expenditure. It should undertake a review into the take- up and retention of public pensions, particularly amongst young professionals, to help understand the issues employers face when trying to demonstrate the value of pensions. Such a review should identify areas where communication is working well and recommend best practice for employers.

Addressed to HM Treasury

4HM Treasury has done little to identify and manage the stark differences in average pensions...
Recommended (the committee's words)
HM Treasury has done little to identify and manage the stark differences in average pensions between genders and other groups. HM Treasury does not collect and analyse data on how pension outcomes differ across groups of scheme members or across generations. The NAO report identified a 45% gap in the average pension being paid to male and female pensioners. Similar gaps most likely exist in other groups, such as black and minority ethnic scheme members, but the Government Actuary’s Department tells us that there is insufficient data which means it is unable to look at this. The different pensions outcomes between male and female pensioners exist because of past differences in pay, and HM Treasury seemed resigned to the pension gap enduring for many decades after the pay gap is closed. However, we are concerned that this will lead to inequalities persisting and could lead to legal challenges in the future. We are also concerned that HM Treasury does not specifically consider whether armed forces pension scheme arrangements are sufficient to support personnel when it becomes time for them to move into civilian life. Recommendation: HM Treasury should be proactive in collecting and analysing data to identify where significant gaps in average pensions exist between different groups. This analysis should inform a wider study on the adequacy of public service pensions, and to understand the impact of differences in pay and working patterns.

Addressed to HM Treasury

5HM Treasury has had to revisit key elements of the reforms, and these issues may...
Recommended (the committee's words)
HM Treasury has had to revisit key elements of the reforms, and these issues may take decades to resolve fully. HM Treasury should have foreseen the age discrimination issue that gave rise to the 2018 McCloud judgment, and putting things right will take many decades to resolve. HM Treasury wants members to pay to put this right—at an estimated cost of £17 billion—despite this being its own mistake. Separately, HM Treasury is concerned that the cost control mechanism—designed to share costs of pensions fairly between employees and employers—is not sufficiently protecting the taxpayer and members. The Government Actuary’s Department says Public Sector Pensions 7 that the cost control mechanism is likely to be triggered very frequently, rather than only as a result of ‘extraordinary, unpredictable events’ as HM Treasury intended. This undermines the usefulness and stability of the mechanism and will impact employees and employers alike. HM Treasury was advised at the time of the reforms of both the age discrimination problem and that the cost control mechanism could easily be triggered. Recommendation: HM Treasury must prioritise work to quickly resolve the challenges presented by the McCloud judgment and cost control mechanism, in order to give certainty to scheme members and employers, and rebuild the trust lost through these issues. The Department should write to us with an update in six months’ time.

Addressed to HM Treasury

6HM Treasury has not yet performed an evaluation of its reforms and we are not...
Recommended (the committee's words)
HM Treasury has not yet performed an evaluation of its reforms and we are not convinced it is on track to meet its objectives. As a part of its 2011–2015 reforms, HM Treasury made a commitment that there would be no more reforms for 25 years. We are just six years into that period and already there are substantial issues that need to be resolved. Both the McCloud judgment and HM Treasury’s concerns around the cost control mechanism have highlighted weaknesses in the reforms. COVID-19 and Brexit are likely to impact GDP in the short term, and it is too soon to tell if these events will have a long-term impact on public service pension affordability. HM Treasury has not yet performed an evaluation of its reforms as it is still in the process of implementing them. We are concerned that HM Treasury has still not prioritised an evaluation of its reforms, particularly given the importance of pensions to individual scheme members, their impact on frontline services, and their significant cost to the taxpayer. Recommendation: HM Treasury should perform an interim evaluation of its 2011–2015 reforms to ensure it is on track to meet each of its objectives, taking account of whether pensions are working for employers, employees and other taxpayers. It should write to the Committee with an update of this evaluation by the end of the year. 8 Public Sector Pensions 1 Public service pension reform

Addressed to HM Treasury

1On the basis of a report by the Comptroller and Auditor General, we took evidence...
Concluded (the committee's words)
On the basis of a report by the Comptroller and Auditor General, we took evidence from HM Treasury and the Government Actuary’s Department about public service pensions.1

Addressed to HM Treasury

7As a part of the 2011–2015 reforms, HM Treasury offered ‘transitional protection’ to those closest...
Concluded (the committee's words)
As a part of the 2011–2015 reforms, HM Treasury offered ‘transitional protection’ to those closest to retirement. This meant that scheme members within 10 years of their normal retirement age would see no change to their pension age or their expected pension.12 In 2018, the Court of Appeal ruled that these protections were discriminatory on the basis of age (the ‘McCloud judgment’).13

Addressed to HM Treasury

8HM Treasury has since been developing a remedy for those affected.14 In February 2021, HM...
Concluded (the committee's words)
HM Treasury has since been developing a remedy for those affected.14 In February 2021, HM Treasury announced that it plans to give the 3 million members affected by the McCloud judgment a choice of which scheme they would like their service between April 2015 and March 2022 to count towards. The affected members will make this choice at the time their pension becomes payable, which means putting things right will take decades to resolve fully.15 HM Treasury estimates the cost of the remedy to be around £17 billion (excluding the cost of the additional administration). HM Treasury told us that it is ultimately members who will pay these costs, and this process will be managed through the cost control mechanism (see below).16 HM Treasury said it was now working 8 Qq 2, 3; C&AG’s Report, para 4, 5 9 Qq 2, 3 10 Qq 19–22 11 HM Treasury (Catherine Little) letter to the Committee, 12 May 2021 12 Qq 64–67; C&AG’s Report, para 3.2 13 C&AG’s Report, para 16 14 Qq 64, 67–72 15 Qq 67, 83 16 Qq 71, 72 10 Public Sector Pensions very closely with schemes to understand what the administration of the McCloud remedy is likely to cost, and it will consider how best to support schemes in the next spending review.17

Addressed to HM Treasury

9Separately, HM Treasury has some concerns about the measures it has in place to control...
Concluded (the committee's words)
Separately, HM Treasury has some concerns about the measures it has in place to control rising costs. As a part of its 2011–2015 reforms, government put in place a ‘cost control mechanism’ designed to share costs fairly between employees and employers.18 The mechanism is built into the four-yearly pension valuation process, and its purpose is to control costs for taxpayer, to maintain value of pensions for scheme members’, and to achieve stability. If certain costs rise, members may see an increase in their contribution rate or a fall in the rate at which their benefits build up. Similarly, if certain costs fall, members may see a reduction in the amount they contribute, or an increase in their future benefits.19

Addressed to HM Treasury

10While the cost control mechanism was only used for the first time in 2016, HM...
Recommended (the committee's words)
While the cost control mechanism was only used for the first time in 2016, HM Treasury is concerned that it is not sufficiently protecting the taxpayer and members. The provisional results of the 2016 valuations show that costs had fallen across all schemes, and therefore members could expect an increase in their benefits or a reduction in the amount they contribute.20 However, HM Treasury paused the implementation of those changes while it formed its response to the McCloud judgment. HM Treasury has asked the Government Actuary’s Department (GAD) to review the mechanism to ensure it meets government’s objectives. When asked for current reflections from the review, GAD told us that the mechanism is likely to be triggered “very frequently”, rather than only as a result of ‘extraordinary, unpredictable events’ as HM Treasury intended. In his view, this undermines the stability of the mechanism and appears not to be keeping taxpayer costs under control.21

Addressed to HM Treasury

11In both of these cases, the government knew these issues had the potential to arise...
Concluded (the committee's words)
In both of these cases, the government knew these issues had the potential to arise and could have avoided them. In the case of the McCloud judgement, government was advised that special transitional protection could potentially be in breach of age discrimination legislation.22 HM Treasury told the Committee that officials produced legal advice on a range of options for transitional arrangements, including discussion of potential risks of challenge under the Equality Act.23 In 2012, GAD provided HM Treasury with analysis that suggested the cost control mechanism could easily be triggered even in normal circumstances.24 It is clear from evidence submitted to us that these issues, and government’s response to them, has undermined the trust between HM Treasury, employers and other stakeholders. In particular, many have commented on the pause to the cost control mechanism and government’s decision that members should shoulder the cost of the McCloud remedy.25 17 Qq 67 18 Qq 55, 75; C&AG’s Report, para 17 19 Qq 55, 75; C&AG’s Report para 3.10 20 Q 75; C&AG’s Report, para 17 21 Qq 75–76 22 Qq 64–66; C&AG’s Report, para 3.2 23 HM Treasury (Catherine Little) letter to the Committee, 12 May 2021 24 Qq 75–77; C&AG’s Report, para 3.13 25 Unison submission page 3; Prospect submission page 4; HCSA submission page 3; BMA submission page 2; UCEA submission page 3 Public Sector Pensions 11 Evaluation of reforms

Addressed to HM Treasury

12As a part of its 2011–2015 reforms, HM Treasury made a commitment that there would...
Concluded (the committee's words)
As a part of its 2011–2015 reforms, HM Treasury made a commitment that there would be no more reforms for 25 years. HM Treasury told us there are no intentions for further cross-government reform, but that it is something it continues to monitor.26 However, we are just six years into the post-reforms period and already there are substantial issues that need to be resolved. Both the McCloud judgment and HM Treasury’s concerns around the cost control mechanism have highlighted weaknesses in the sustainability of the reforms over the long term. COVID-19 and Brexit are likely to impact GDP in the short term, and it is too soon to tell if these events will have a long-term impact on public service pensions affordability.27

Addressed to HM Treasury

13HM Treasury told us it has not yet performed an evaluation of its reforms.
Recommended (the committee's words)
HM Treasury told us it has not yet performed an evaluation of its reforms. In its 2011 report on public service pensions, the Committee noted that increasing the amount that employees have to contribute to pension schemes could result in more people opting out of their pensions and having to rely on means-tested benefits, leading to extra costs to the public purse, and that important implications of this kind needed to be evaluated and understood. We asked whether the government has undertaken any such evaluation since the 2011–2015 reforms. HM Treasury told us that it had not done any post-implementation evaluation of those reforms, including evaluation of the impact on individuals and whether they are more or less likely to need to access benefits.28 We also asked whether HM Treasury had undertaken any evaluation linking pensions and trends in economic outcomes across different generations. HM Treasury told us it would consider this as part of any evaluation undertaken in future.29

Addressed to HM Treasury

14HM Treasury said that its focus remains on implementing the 2011–2015 reforms in full and...
Concluded (the committee's words)
HM Treasury said that its focus remains on implementing the 2011–2015 reforms in full and that its reforms will have an impact over the very long-term. HM Treasury acknowledged there will come a point where it will need to undertake much more detailed evaluation.30 26 Qq 61–63; C&AG’s Report, para 5 27 Qq 15, 89; C&AG’s Report, para 15 28 Committee of Public Accounts, The impact of the 2007–08 changes to public sector pensions, HC 833, Thirty- eighth Report of Session 2010–12, May 2011 29 Q 74 30 Qq 37–38, 57, 74 12 Public Sector Pensions 2 Impact on employers and employees Impact on employers and frontline services

Addressed to HM Treasury

15Pensions play an important role in the overall remuneration package employers offer to recruit and...
Concluded (the committee's words)
Pensions play an important role in the overall remuneration package employers offer to recruit and retain staff. There is evidence that pensions affect how people chose to work which may impact frontline services. For example, the interaction between the NHS Pension Scheme rules and the tax system means a large number of doctors have reduced their working hours, opted out of the scheme, or retired early.31 A recent survey of 8,000 members by the British Medical Association (BMA)—a trade union for doctors in the United Kingdom—showed that 72% of respondents may choose to retire earlier and 61% would reduce their working hours because of tax rules.32 Previous BMA surveys have shown that more than half of surgeons in Wales were advised by an accountant or financial adviser to work fewer hours in the NHS. HM Treasury has made some changes to the tax system in order to support senior clinicians, but ultimately doctors need to make an informed choice about their working patterns.33

Addressed to HM Treasury

16Pensions are also a significant cost to public service employers.
Concluded (the committee's words)
Pensions are also a significant cost to public service employers. In 2019–20, employer contributions across the four main public service schemes rose in real terms by £6.4 billion, to £23.3 billion (around 24.3% of total payroll).34 This substantial increase has directly impacted on employer budgets, putting further pressure on frontline services.35 HM Treasury told us whenever there are unforeseen costs resulting from pension changes, particularly resulting from changes in the discount rate (a key assumption use to estimate the value of future benefits in today’s terms), it has provided additional funding to employers.36 For example, it recognised the potential impact of the 2019–20 increases to employer contributions and sought to mitigate this by providing £4.7 billion of additional funding at Budget 2019. However, this still means £1.7 billion of the increase was funded from employer budgets. HM Treasury told us there are always budget pressures that departments must manage in the normal course of their work.37

Addressed to HM Treasury

17As a direct result of concerns about these increasing contributions, around 200 independent schools are...
Concluded (the committee's words)
As a direct result of concerns about these increasing contributions, around 200 independent schools are set to withdraw from the Teachers’ Pension Scheme. HM Treasury told us that the Department for Education has worked very closely with the Teachers’ Pension Scheme to make sure that current teachers affected by this can stay within their existing pension scheme.38 However, the withdrawal of these schools may put further pressure on those schools that remain. For example, the Universities and Colleges Employers Association—the employers’ association for universities and colleges of higher education in the United Kingdom—wrote to us that at least one higher education institution has had to make redundancies in response to the 2019–20 increase in employers pension costs.39 31 Qq 80–82; British Medical Association, written evidence submitted to the Committee, April 2021 32 British Medical Association, written evidence submitted to the Committee, April 2021 33 Qq 80–82 34 C&AG’s Report, paras 2.14, 2.15 35 Qq 9–11, 79–80 36 Qq 9–10; C&AG’s Report para 2.16 37 Q 10 38 Qq 12–14 39 Universities and Colleges Employers Association, written evidence to the Committee, April 2021 Public Sector Pensions 13

Addressed to HM Treasury

18The employer contribution rate is next due to be implemented in 2024, where it may...
Concluded (the committee's words)
The employer contribution rate is next due to be implemented in 2024, where it may change again. Both the SCAPE discount rate—which is a key assumption used to help set the employer contribution rate and drove the 2019–20 increase in employers contributions—and its methodology will be reviewed prior to 2024.40 Impact on employees

Addressed to HM Treasury

19This Committee previously recommended, in 2011, that HM Treasury should work with employers and pension...
Recommended (the committee's words)
This Committee previously recommended, in 2011, that HM Treasury should work with employers and pension schemes to ensure that clear and relevant information is provided to employees on the value of their pensions, and that this information is regularly updated and its usefulness to staff assessed.41 Despite this, we have seen little evidence of progress in ensuring that people understand the value of their pensions: HM Treasury told us it recognises that more needs to be done.42 HM Treasury agreed that part of the problem lies in education, and making sure that people understand how pensions work generally. Recent initiatives may help. For example, the Ministry of Defence has considered introducing more specific information on pay slips about the employee and employer contributions to better communicate their value to the scheme members.43

Addressed to HM Treasury

20Furthermore, government’s response to the McCloud judgment has potential to exacerbate the problem.
Concluded (the committee's words)
Furthermore, government’s response to the McCloud judgment has potential to exacerbate the problem. Members affected by the McCloud remedy will be asked to make a complex decision about their pensions, which may include balancing between the level of pension they retire with and when they wish to retire. HM Treasury told us that from 2024 it plans to require all schemes to include additional information as part of their annual benefit statement. This will show the equivalent information for the legacy schemes as well as the reformed schemes so that, throughout the remaining period of an individual’s career, they can see how the two schemes change on an annual basis.44

Addressed to HM Treasury

21When asked about what information was available on employees that opt out of public service...
Recommended (the committee's words)
When asked about what information was available on employees that opt out of public service pension schemes, HM Treasury told us it did not collect this information.45 HM Treasury told us that individual pension schemes often provided assessments of opt-out rates to public pay review boards, but detailed breakdown were not always available.46 For example, the Teachers’ Pension Schemes only provides an estimate of overall participation. HM Treasury provided us with some data on overall opt-out rates: • NHS Pension Scheme – 10% of employees opted out of their pension, the equivalent of around 180,000 employees. • Teachers’ Pension Scheme – 7% to 8% of employees opted out of their pension, the equivalent of around 53,000 to 61,000 employees. • Civil Service Pension Scheme – less than 1% of employees opted out of their pension, the equivalent of around 5,000 employees.47 40 Qq 85–88 41 HC Committee of Public Accounts, The impact of the 2007–08 changes to public service pensions, Thirty-eighth Report of Session 2010–2012, HC 833, May 2011. 42 Qq 3, 16, 20, 25, 32 43 Q 47 44 Q 83 45 Q 30 46 Qq 42–46 47 Q 43 14 Public Sector Pensions

Addressed to HM Treasury

22Individual schemes hold information on participation rates for some groups, for example participation in the...
Recommended (the committee's words)
Individual schemes hold information on participation rates for some groups, for example participation in the NHS Pension Scheme is lower among younger employees.48 However, HM Treasury told us that there are lots of imperfections in the quality of participation data, and that it does not as standard collect detailed opt-out rates..49 As a result, HM Treasury could not give us a clear answer as to whether overall younger employees and those on lower pay are more likely to opt out of their pensions than other groups, or whether participation rates are increasing or decreasing over time.50 HM Treasury told us that while anecdotally it was aware of this issue, the data was limited – it was not clear on why people choose to opt out of their pensions or which groups are more likely to.51 HM Treasury also told us it does not collect any data on what happens to people once they opt out of their pension scheme.52 There are understandable reasons why people may choose to opt out of pension schemes (for example, short-term spending priorities) but inadequate pensions are likely to cause issues in the future and push costs into other policy areas, for example if people are more likely to be reliant on the benefits system.53 Inequalities and differences between groups

Addressed to HM Treasury

23The National Audit Office found there were stark differences in the average pension received by...
Concluded (the committee's words)
The National Audit Office found there were stark differences in the average pension received by scheme members, when analysed by gender. Their report identified that the average pensioner is paid £10,000 annually, but there is a 45% gap in the average pension being paid to male and female pensioners. The largest gap the NAO identified was in the NHS Pension Scheme, at 63%.54 We challenged HM Treasury on whether it was right and fair for there to be such a gap. HM Treasury told us this gap in average pensions is determined by differences in the pay history of these two groups and what we see in the pension data reflects historical inequalities in pay over many decades. HM Treasury said that its response is to try and close the pay gap and it is seeing evidence that it is closing. However, HM Treasury commented that closing the pay gap alone will mean the gap in average pensions will likely persist for many decades, although it did not have a target for closing the gap in average pensions, nor could it commit to a timescale.55 However, the National Audit Office also identified other factors that affect the gap in average pensions, such as differences in working patterns between gender (for example, female scheme members are more likely to work part-time).56

Addressed to HM Treasury

24HM Treasury told us it does not collect and analyse data on how pension outcomes...
Concluded (the committee's words)
HM Treasury told us it does not collect and analyse data on how pension outcomes differ across groups of scheme members or across generations.57 GAD told us that insufficient data means government is unable to analyse similar gaps that are likely to exist in other groups, such as black and minority ethnic members. However, GAD said it would expect that similar gaps exist in the average pensions of black and minority ethnic members compared to white scheme members, because they are similarly affected by differences in historic earnings.58 HM Treasury told us that schemes do not typically hold 48 HM Treasury (Catherine Little) letter to the Committee, 12 May 2021 49 Qq 30–31 50 Qq 30–32, HM Treasury (Catherine Little) letter to the Committee, 12 May 2021 51 Qq 20–21, 30–32, 57–60, 74 52 Q 35 53 Qq 21, 36–41, 57, 74 54 C&AG’s Report, para 11 55 Qq 5–6, 26–29 56 C&AG’s Report, para 11 and Figure 3 57 Qq 57–60 58 Qq 7, 30, 58–60 Public Sector Pensions 15 data on members’ protected characteristics (other than gender because this is relevant to longevity assumptions), because of data protection regulations.59 However, HM Treasury recognised the possibility that there could be other legal challenges in the future.60

Addressed to HM Treasury

25We are also concerned that HM Treasury does not specifically consider whether armed forces pension...
Concluded (the committee's words)
We are also concerned that HM Treasury does not specifically consider whether armed forces pension scheme arrangements are sufficient to support personnel when it becomes time for them to move into civilian life, which can be well before reaching “retirement age” (of 60 in the armed forces pension scheme). HM Treasury recognises that the physical requirements of the role for members of the armed forces differ from those for members of other public service pension schemes.61 HM Treasury said it considers the Armed Forces Pension Scheme to be very generous, with pensions at retirement fairly reflecting the unique sacrifice they have provided their country throughout their career. HM Treasury told us that the pensions offered are considered as a part of overall remuneration by the Armed Forces Pay Review Board.62 59 HM Treasury (Catherine Little) letter to the Committee, 12 May 2021 60 Q 26 61 Q 48 62 Qq 47–51; HM Treasury (Catherine Little) letter to the Committee, 12 May 2021 16 Public Sector Pensions

Addressed to HM Treasury

Evidence

Oral evidence sessions 1

Who gave evidence 5 witnesses

  • Cat LittlePermanent Secretary, Cabinet Office
  • Charles RoxburghSecond Permanent Secretary, HM Treasury
  • Martin ClarkeGovernment Actuary, Government Actuary’s Department (GAD)
  • Mike WilliamsDirector, Business and International Tax, HM Treasury
  • Sir Tom ScholarPermanent Secretary, HM Treasury

Correspondence 1 letter